Comments on: The EU: Save Saddam But Kill the Innocent http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html Independent. Conservative. Unruly. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:19:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: piboulder http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html#comment-106015 piboulder Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:55:00 +0000 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the-eu-save-saddam-but-kill-the-innocent.php#comment-106015 <p>I hate to say it, but we do have this going on in this country, with fetuses that are supposed to be aborted, but are delivered alive. Even after the the law Bush passed in 2002 (I think it was called the "Born Alive" act, or something), which was supposed to prevent this, it's still happening. I've heard about it from nurses for years, even as recent as this year, who work where babies are delivered.</p> <p>Occasionally a mother comes in who wants to abort her pregnancy, and is several months into it. Typically a chemical is injected into the fetus in the womb, which is supposed to kill it, but sometimes this fails. The cervix is dialated and the fetus is brought out. Sometimes the fetus is delivered alive. One would think at this point that the first imperative, since it survived the attempt to kill it, and birth, that the medical staff would try to support its life. </p> <p>Typically this doesn't happen. Several stories I've heard from different nurses say the same thing. The child is placed in a cold storage room, the door is shut on the room, and the child is left to die. Sometimes this can take several hours. The medical staff walking by the room can hear the baby's cries. It's very hard on the nurses who have to hear this, and some of them protest, demanding that babies in this condition be cared for just as if it were not an abortion. They typically get fired.</p> <p>We don't have euthanasia, but we do have infanticide after delivery, all because the delivery was classified as an abortion. It's difficult to believe, but it's true. It's been going on since the Roe v. Wade decision was made, if not longer.</p> I hate to say it, but we do have this going on in this country, with fetuses that are supposed to be aborted, but are delivered alive. Even after the the law Bush passed in 2002 (I think it was called the “Born Alive” act, or something), which was supposed to prevent this, it’s still happening. I’ve heard about it from nurses for years, even as recent as this year, who work where babies are delivered.

Occasionally a mother comes in who wants to abort her pregnancy, and is several months into it. Typically a chemical is injected into the fetus in the womb, which is supposed to kill it, but sometimes this fails. The cervix is dialated and the fetus is brought out. Sometimes the fetus is delivered alive. One would think at this point that the first imperative, since it survived the attempt to kill it, and birth, that the medical staff would try to support its life.

Typically this doesn’t happen. Several stories I’ve heard from different nurses say the same thing. The child is placed in a cold storage room, the door is shut on the room, and the child is left to die. Sometimes this can take several hours. The medical staff walking by the room can hear the baby’s cries. It’s very hard on the nurses who have to hear this, and some of them protest, demanding that babies in this condition be cared for just as if it were not an abortion. They typically get fired.

We don’t have euthanasia, but we do have infanticide after delivery, all because the delivery was classified as an abortion. It’s difficult to believe, but it’s true. It’s been going on since the Roe v. Wade decision was made, if not longer.

]]> By: Kimj7157 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html#comment-106014 Kimj7157 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:06:00 +0000 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the-eu-save-saddam-but-kill-the-innocent.php#comment-106014 <p>The hypocrisy in all this is ASTOUNDING. And the fact that there are fellow human beings on this planet--men of medicine no less--that would even consider such ideas for a millisecond is amazing to me and quite frightening. </p> The hypocrisy in all this is ASTOUNDING. And the fact that there are fellow human beings on this planet–men of medicine no less–that would even consider such ideas for a millisecond is amazing to me and quite frightening.

]]> By: Talkin Horse http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html#comment-106013 Talkin Horse Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:29:00 +0000 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the-eu-save-saddam-but-kill-the-innocent.php#comment-106013 <p>Touching on a peripheral part of this story...yeah, the Europeans consider their abolition of capital punishment a sign of their moral superiority, but they've got it backwards. The culture that will not execute a murderer, but instead locks him up for a few years and then lets him go, is announcing that life is cheap. What does a murderer have to pay for killing an innocent? In Europe, not much. A truly moral society must vigorously enforce capital punishment.</p> <p>Israel sides with Europe on this point. The execution of Eichmann was an exception, and a hypocritical one. If murdering one human being does not merit execution, then why should murdering many human beings be any different?<br /> </p> Touching on a peripheral part of this story…yeah, the Europeans consider their abolition of capital punishment a sign of their moral superiority, but they’ve got it backwards. The culture that will not execute a murderer, but instead locks him up for a few years and then lets him go, is announcing that life is cheap. What does a murderer have to pay for killing an innocent? In Europe, not much. A truly moral society must vigorously enforce capital punishment.

Israel sides with Europe on this point. The execution of Eichmann was an exception, and a hypocritical one. If murdering one human being does not merit execution, then why should murdering many human beings be any different?

]]> By: HShort http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html#comment-106012 HShort Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:36:00 +0000 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the-eu-save-saddam-but-kill-the-innocent.php#comment-106012 <p>I was running a refugee health care project years ago, and by chance helped a Medicine Sans Frontiers French physician with a late night premature delivery. Turned out to be twins, the second of which was dead, which explained the premature labor. Not only did the physician, who had been the woman’s attending for months, express surprise and agitation over the fact there were twins, but he also made the comment that since the surviving baby was premature it would be very difficult for the mother to care for it in the conditions found in the refugee camp and that it would be better if it died. I just thought he was venting and after helping setup the ‘incubator’, I left the doctor and nurse and went to bed, that was about two am. Around six am or so I got up and walking through the hospital found the incubator stuck off in a unused corner, the baby was in it. When I asked some of the para-medical staff why the baby was there and not with its mother, they shrugged and said the doctor had told them to put it there. Come to find out the baby had never been given to its mother, it had never been fed, it had been put in the corner to die. This was the cold season and when I took the baby out it was cold and not very responsive. I got the nurse to care for it and when the day shift arrived I got another doctor to attend, but it died shortly thereafter. Although this baby was premature and small, at its birth it was robust and healthy. Whether or not it could have survived the rigors of the refugee camp, only God knows; however, we were there to provide health care services not to sentence people, especially helpless babies, to death. It is exactly in these cases of greatest need that the greatest efforts must be taken to ensure that whatever chance exists is provided. I’ve worked in battlefield and triage situations and I understand that there are cases and situations that exist where hard decisions need to be made; but you do not ensure death by denying what is in your ability to provide, just because it is too much bother. You do not kill innocents just because you can.</p> I was running a refugee health care project years ago, and by chance helped a Medicine Sans Frontiers French physician with a late night premature delivery. Turned out to be twins, the second of which was dead, which explained the premature labor. Not only did the physician, who had been the woman’s attending for months, express surprise and agitation over the fact there were twins, but he also made the comment that since the surviving baby was premature it would be very difficult for the mother to care for it in the conditions found in the refugee camp and that it would be better if it died. I just thought he was venting and after helping setup the ‘incubator’, I left the doctor and nurse and went to bed, that was about two am. Around six am or so I got up and walking through the hospital found the incubator stuck off in a unused corner, the baby was in it. When I asked some of the para-medical staff why the baby was there and not with its mother, they shrugged and said the doctor had told them to put it there. Come to find out the baby had never been given to its mother, it had never been fed, it had been put in the corner to die. This was the cold season and when I took the baby out it was cold and not very responsive. I got the nurse to care for it and when the day shift arrived I got another doctor to attend, but it died shortly thereafter. Although this baby was premature and small, at its birth it was robust and healthy. Whether or not it could have survived the rigors of the refugee camp, only God knows; however, we were there to provide health care services not to sentence people, especially helpless babies, to death. It is exactly in these cases of greatest need that the greatest efforts must be taken to ensure that whatever chance exists is provided. I’ve worked in battlefield and triage situations and I understand that there are cases and situations that exist where hard decisions need to be made; but you do not ensure death by denying what is in your ability to provide, just because it is too much bother. You do not kill innocents just because you can.

]]> By: SLABBOTT http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the_eu_save_saddam_but_kill_th.html#comment-106011 SLABBOTT Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:58:00 +0000 http://tammybruce.com/2006/11/the-eu-save-saddam-but-kill-the-innocent.php#comment-106011 <p>If there is no God and I believe he no longer exists to the "enlightened" in power in Europe, then they get to set the rules. Having given all authority over to the state (socialism) to make these decisions for them they become ones of convenience and cost/benefit analysis. </p> <p>And we have people here who wish to freely offer themselves up to this slavery! Awesome stupidity!</p> If there is no God and I believe he no longer exists to the “enlightened” in power in Europe, then they get to set the rules. Having given all authority over to the state (socialism) to make these decisions for them they become ones of convenience and cost/benefit analysis.

And we have people here who wish to freely offer themselves up to this slavery! Awesome stupidity!

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