Surprise.
Obama Issues Directives on Detainees, Interrogation, Guantanamo
President Obama, putting his executive pen in his left hand to overrule eight years of Bush administration policy, signed “several” executive orders Thursday, including ones affecting national security. The national security orders mandate that interrogation techniques in the Army Field Manual be used by all intelligence and law enforcement services; call for a task force to look at closing the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within the year; and orders a strategy to be developed for handling detainees in the future. The presidential directive also orders a stay in the case of Ali Al-Marri, the only person being held by the military as an enemy combatant on U.S. soil…
The executive order says everyone in custody should be questioned under the Army Field Manual, which is intended for honorable combatants, meaning POWs in a military conflict. The rule would prevent trained interrogators at the CIA from using lawful interrogation techniques against terrorists who have been trained to withstand Army Field Manual techniques.
Personally, I have absolutely no problem with torture.
As a matter of fact, I’d have the Islamist dirtbags subjugated and routinely beaten by gays and bikini clad women in front of a televised audience.
That’s poetic justice!
Sounds like the Cater doctrine is back: “If we’re nice to them, maybe they’ll love us”.
Ah yes, the “We’re bigger than them” disease has reared it’s ugly head. I invite Murtha to travel to Gitmo, unshackle them, and personally assist them with their “grief” therapy. Think they would have mercy on an old fart like you Jackie????
Maybe we should just leave them in Cuba and let Raul deal with them.
The commies and the fascists might do us a favor by killing each other.
DOGONCRACK: Maybe we could have “Queer Eye for the Terrorist Guy”?
We could give the bad guys happy fizzies parties! War is hell? No its not, just another opportunity to teach goodness, light and joy. After all Chairman Bambi the Lightworker declares this to be Happy Planet. Now let’s all sing along the happy song!
The next question is… where the hell are they all going? Most countries won’t take these people back and no congressman would want these people imprisoned in their district.
Waterboarding is so uncivilized. I would prefer my own version of this, to which all terrorists suspected of having knowledge of a significant threat to the US would be subjected… carve surfboards into the silhouettes of sea lions, and set the terrorists adrift off the coast of California. We could call it “sharkboarding”.
I haven’t heard anyone note this particular irony. The tone of the transition from Carter to Reagan was set when the Iranians scrambled to release the American hostages coincident with the inauguration of the new president. On the other hand, for Bush/Obama transition, the Israelis rushed to exit Gaza in time for the inauguration. I wouldn’t say Obama is the anti-Christ, but I worry about him being the anti-Reagan.
Obviously mr obama is sucking up to the limp witted children who elected him and his own complete lack of touch with military and intelligence reality. All we gotta do is have our military commanders team with a country that has a will to defeat terrorism and make sure that those “helpers” effect the captures and interrogations. Then leak the results to someone who will take action to keep us and them safe. The other choice is to simply take no prisoners since there is no possble intelligence value any more. I wonder if the next “order” will be a no shoot directive so our enemies might love us. I bet there will be mass exodus from military and intelligence services since carter 44 is demanding they do not do their job.
At the very least I think we should get them up to speed on flying airliners. I mean they have to be behind on their studies. Barry O says “no mo Gitmo”. America just stuck on a giant “KICK ME” sign on itself. Is it 2012 yet?
We knew this was coming but the sheer insanity and gravity of this move is still quite shocking and surreal to say the least.
There are no words to describe the depth of my anger right now – and this is just day two of this s**t.
Don’t rule out our congressmen not wanting to imprison Gitmo inmates in their districts, BSTNDANCE; John Murtha is quick to note he is ready! http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/murtha_gitmo_/2009/01/22/174133.html
Guess Murtha’s going to do something about all those backward types clinging to their guns and religion (that is, that scary Christian religion, you know). I guess we could also say this is what his constituents get for sticking his sorry ass back in congress!
Artgal, I have to second the first two sentences of your post! This whole thing seems like a bad movie! I can never remember feeling this utterly and completely disturbed by an event in the life of my country, except perhaps, 9/11. And, by the way, here in NYC, the counterterrorism force, and extra police are out in full force in the subways, as well they should be, while this complete flake is opening the gates of hell to our country!
Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, serving from 1966 to 1967, serving as a battalion staff officer (S-2 Intelligence Section), receiving the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He retired from the Reserves as a Colonel in 1990, receiving the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.
What have you done for you country other than displaying a significant amount of ignorance.
I could just imagine, on 8 December 1941, President Hussain Obama calling for arrest warrants for the Japanese pilots who accidentally dropped their bombs and torpedoes while flying maneuvers over the US navy base at Pearl harbor. Of course we wouldn’t have gone to war because it was our cutting off of supplies to Japan that forced them to attack us.
In fact, on 9 December 1941 we would have opened into negotiations with Japan to start supplying them again so that they would be nice to us again. We would be paying Japan reperations for pilots and aircraft lost at Pearl Harbor.
War is War. You don’t treat it like some kind of law enforcement issue. If you do, victory is guaranteed – to the enemy.
Closing Guantanamo Bay and bringing these terrorist to the US may not be a bad idea if they place them in the right prisons. I worked five years in maximum security of one of the toughest prisons in the country, the Penitentiary of New Mexico.
I suggest they take these virgin seekers and place them in the general population in a prison like this. I think they would soon find “water boarding” would be a day in Mecca compared to the “hom boys” and the “hairy bubba’s” in New Mexico”.
Rick H. -
I can only assume you were referring to my post since I’m the only one who has mentioned the John Murtha article thus far on this thread.
Don’t you dare question me about what I’ve done for this country! Why not question Murtha on what he has done TO this country when he has put his partisan politics in front of what’s best and right for our nation!
I do not discredit Murtha’s past military service at all, but it pales when we see what he has done since. I am not going to give that jerk a free pass in life because of his past service. What he has done to sabotage our troops currently serving and prolonging unnecessary suffering by military families is absolutely indefensible and obscene.
In all your slobbering for Murtha, it would serve you well to brush up on facts and understand the depth of harm he caused troops by echoing a Times piece making false accusations against our servicemen. Are we not supposed to question or make a judgment of Murtha at all because he served in Vietnam? Do we allow a former vet-turned-political-hack dare suggest we bring terrorists into our homeland to house as every other prisoner and remain silent because of his past service? Did it ever occur to you that bringing terrorists into our prison system would offer our enemies a grand recruiting ground? I don’t have to serve in the military to know what a disastrous idea/invitation this is; wouldn’t you think Murtha would know better, too? After all, as you reminded us, he served in the military…
Why should Murtha get a pass for being caught in a bribe, becoming a turncoat (being for the war before he was against it), lying about our troops on news networks & accusing them of atrocities, making racist comments about his own constituents and supporting a troop withdrawal while we are having success? Funny how you forgot to mention those items among Murtha’s achievements.
I will damn well judge Murtha harshly. For 3 years I taught in a military academy in Chicago. Over 3 dozen of my former students serve in our military. Some are deployed in Iraq right now. I will let these young men and women judge for themselves on what kind of teacher I was, but I will not silence my criticism of Murtha when he has proven himself to be so partisan and corrupt that he puts our military – and nation – at risk.
My former students were met with serious obstacles in life and they overcame them. I won’t sit back silently as Murtha harms more service men and women and their families. And I won’t shut up when he proposes to invite the slaughtering beasts who have waged war on us into our yard.
Better learn to discern between right and wrong, and separate the past from the present before accusing someone else of being ignorant.
DOGONCRACK: I say we expand upon your idea and have Jewish bikini-clad lesbians do the torture. And don’t televise it – sell the videos to the niche market who are into that sort of thing, and give the proceeds to the families of the victims of terrorism in Israel!
Artgal, I couldn’t possibly follow your post with anything substantive so I won’t try but Thank You.
Thank you for your service to our country and thank you for setting the wrongheaded and misguided straight. We’re going to be doing a lot
of that in the next few years, yours is a fine example for us.