A post by Maynard
As the nation debates “cap and trade”, I wonder how many people understand what we’re contemplating. Let me try to set down the basic situation as I understand it. Of course I have strong opinions, but I’ll try to put these aside for this post.
We’ve long had laws and regulations against dumping pollutants into the environment. Nobody is debating whether people have the right not to be poisoned, but we may reasonably question what constitutes a threat requiring government intervention, or whether the contemplated form of intervention will do more good than harm.
When you burn fuel, you initiate a chemical process in which a carbon-based material combines with oxygen from the air. The result is liberated energy — the heat of the flame — and waste products of carbon dioxide and other materials. Historically, the pollutants of concern have been everything other than the carbon dioxide. For example, the refinements of cars over the years have been in pursuit of complete combustion of gasoline, meaning that nothing comes out of the tailpipe other than CO2 and H2O.
In the recent era, concerns arose that the concentration of atmospheric CO2 was rising, and this rise was due to human activity. On this point, I think the data is pretty solid.
What effect will the rise in CO2 have on the ecosystem? This is an appropriate question, and I lament that it tends to get argued as a matter of political dogma or political opportunism, with arguments often backed up by junk science. I’m not going to descend into that morass here. The point is that, rightly or wrongly, carbon dioxide has now been declared a pollutant. This means the government steps in.
So now that the government has this new thing to regulate, the question is how they plan to do it. The answer we’re getting is “cap and trade”.
In a nutshell, the government decides the total amount of carbon dioxide the nation is allowed to produce. That’s the “cap”. Let’s say they limit national CO2 emissions to 1000 tons. They do this by writing up 1000 permits, each of which permits the bearer to emit 1 ton of CO2. So if you’re a coal-burning utility, you’ve got to get your hands on one of those permits for every ton of CO2 that goes up that smokestack.
How do you get a permit? That’s the “trade” part of the thing. You can beg or buy it from the government, or maybe you can buy someone else’s permit on the secondary market. But one way or another, you need that permit or the government won’t let you burn your coal.
Obviously buying a permit to do this thing that used to be free raises the cost of business. But how much does it increase costs, and what effect will this have on the overall economy? These are the questions that should be openly discussed in our national debate.
In a simple implementation of cap and trade, the government would simply auction off all the CO2 permits. Let the market decide how to allocate the emission of CO2. The costs would be clear, and all buyers would have equal status and equal opportunity. It would also be a source of government revenue. The process I’m describing is open and straightforward.
That’s not what’s happening. Due to politics, we seem to be moving towards a very obfuscated form of cap and trade. Favored industries will be given permits. The playing field is shifted from market allocation to special interests and cronyism. That’s why hundreds of pages of mysterious amendments are being tacked onto these bills. Many of these details would not withstand scrutiny, which is why they’re rushed into law before anyone can read them.
The complexity of the current cap and trade bill is designed to pay off special interests while making voters lose sight of the costs. We should remember that, since the right to emit CO2 is to be capped, therefore this resource must somehow be allocated or rationed. There’s no getting around this. So either the allocation/rationing is made by the marketplace (in the form of higher prices which motivates decreased consumption), or it’s made by the government (in the form of giveaways to favored parties). In the former case, resources go to whoever is willing to pay the most. In the latter case, they goes to whoever has the most political pull. The structure being created seems to be more of the latter than the former. It’s a product of the “government knows best” mindset. People should understand the choice that’s being made, and the curtailments it places on our freedoms.
For further reading, here’s the Wikipedia article on “Cap and Trade”.
Cap and Trade = We’re screwed
The Fascists LUUUUVED pseudo science. The “Environmentalist” Eugenicists LUUUUUVE the hockey stick graph to endorse every next emotionalized superstition du jour. The hockey stickers rely on a fundamentally flawed and misleading technique subject to all manner of arbitrary placement. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tmodis/Kurzweil.htm
The Eugenics brigade of Statists from any Left or Right end of Hegel’s hall of mirrors, choc full o’ cute little butchers baring bags of new designer viruses, won’t be relieved to discover that the sorcerer’s myth of “Population Explosion” also rests on a barbaric fallacy of exponentials chicanery. Did you see that? Al Bored just pulled a quarter out of another moron’s ear! His Daddy & Mommy would be so proud.
Similarly, wikipedia is a half baked intellectual Mecca for the perfect half truth – and its students who are practicing their axe to grind. The Wiki references will likely be thrice revised before I finish this entry.
I think it’s time Conservatives led the environmental movement. No, we’re not going to join the Enviro-Marxists but there are a number of universally accepted environmental issues that we can bring to the forefront. Yes, global warming is a myth. Taxing the air we breathe is a means of control. Gotcha. But understanding that, we need to put Conservative-driven environmental issues to the forefront. Nobody wants dumping in bays where the sea otters play. Nobody wants to have smog days that don’t allow children to play outside. Here in CA, we have to have a smog test on our cars when we get it registered. For cars built in the ’90s, this is absolutely redundant because the car couldn’t have made it off the factory unless it met certain emissions standards. Even after 14+ years of owning this vehicle, it passed smog and the baseline standards with flying colors, WELL below the acceptable levels for passing. Still, I had to pay for the smog test. This madness method is already in place. We can lobby to pass a bill redirect the revenue collected from the smog test for a specific conservative environmental cause, whether it’s a research grant to build autos to run on hydro-carbons etc. If the democrats see that as less revenue for the general fund, we can attack them for not being concerned with the environment.
I am just so sick and tired of all these fees, taxes, capandtrade nonsense. There’s got to be a way to fight back and “NO” is simply not enough. We have to put out alternative solutions out there; otherwise, we’re just delaying the inevitable march to tyranny.
I think it’s time Conservatives led the environmental movement. (snip) We have to put out alternative solutions out there; otherwise, we’re just delaying the inevitable march to tyranny.
Great post, Sam Joe! This is what I’ve been thinking for years. We can’t just be the grumpy people who go around saying ‘Oh no you don’t!’ all the time. Being concerned about our environment is legitimate & leaving it to the opportunistic flakes on the left is both political & environmental suicide.
(Also, I love the site’s new look, Tammy)
if carbon dioxide isnt a pollutant, lock yourself up in an airtight container. oh so wait… carbon dioxide would cause you pain and suffering? oh, so wait… carbon dioxide is a pollutant, then?
is a company that wants to make profits in any way possible going to dampen their need for profits for the sake of saving the airtight container known as earth? no, that is why we have a government, to ensure that the airtight container known as earth, doesn’t create pain and suffering for everyone.
you know, nixon started two key governmental organizations that relate to this pollution topic; the environmental protection agency (epa) and the occupational safety and health administration (osha)…
being smart enough to say no to pollution is not at all a bad thing…
-iamtammy2
[Ummm, you'd last longer in an airtight compartment than you would in a barrel of water. Does that make water a pollutant? Does the fact that you exhale CO2 make you a toxic waste dump? Under Obama's plan, you'll need an environmental impact statement to take a leak. Wouldn't wanna create pain and suffering for anyone, would we? --Maynard]
i’m not a sea creature, therefore i don’t live in the water. since i don’t live in the water, i cannot say that water is a pollutant or what is in water to make it a pollutant. what does arsenic, lead or mercury make the water taste like? you are going to have to tell me because i don’t drink tap water.
the mere fact that i and you are alive makes us hazards to the earth. don’t tell me that what you put into the toilet is edible or the gas you exhale is breatheable. I’m sorry i just cannot believe that.
i’ve got nothing to hide behind when i take a dump or a piss because it is just me and the toilet anyway. what’s your excuse? you think that obama will care what you’ve been eating 0r drinking??? my god, man, he doesn’t care! he is a freaking centrist!
and you think he is going to tax *you* just so you can take a piss??? man, you are grasping at straws here!
-iamtammy2
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The science isn’t settled, that’s just it.
And I am telling you that as a Pagan and an environmentalist, although I am libertarian.
http://is.gd/1i0h0
If you can’t show that global warming is a). unusual, b). human caused, c). evil, or d). reversible by human action, then the entire argument loses it’s “moral imperative.” That also means that it rates more than a rushed debate in Congress designed to stifle dissent.
After all, if the science is solid, then debate couldn’t change the facts, could it?
Man-made global warming?
Greenland is called Greenland because it used to be green.
Climate change?
Well duh…Always has always will.
Carbon pollution?
That is just offensive(particularly to plant-life)
Carbon tax?
Well unemployment hasn’t been in double figures for a while…….what the hell,let’s go for the record!
Can we declare socialism a pollutant?
I’d like to see cap-and-trade on dailykos, msnbc, new york times, air america, nancy pelosi, harry reid, and barkey!!
Maynard: brilliant as usual. Love the Caps for Sale cover. Heh!
Human induced global warming is suspect. Please check the Paleomap project site (http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm). Another site (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html) shows a combintion graph of CO2 and temperature. Not sure there is a statistical correlation between CO2 levels and temperature.
The earth typically has an average temperature of 22C and cools down approximately every 150 millions years. We are living in one of these periods where the earth’s average temperature is approximately 12C. Just wait until the earth starts to heat!
Are certain humans so arrogant that they believe people have more of an effect on the climate versus sun activity or the earth’s orbit or other natural occurrences. ?
Thankyou for mentioning the Sun,rhkaplan!:a dirty word for the climate fascists.
“Certain humans(we’ll call them humans just for the minute)ARE so arrogant;and why wouldn’t they be?:they brook no argument as they are entirely correct on absolutely everything under the sun(oops!,there’s that dirty word again).Exuding a self righteousness that only the brainwashed can,a simple thing like a massive violent ball of unfathomable reactive power just doesn’t enter the equation;inconvenient you see.Particularly for a certain bore and his “convenient untruth”.
How could this awesome heavenly life-force,worshipped and feared by cultures from the beginning of our bipedal existence even compare to a cow fart?