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This little gem came from this post about the shock from the international community about the “torture” the CIA has listed it wants to use. Even the horrific example of pulling on a terrorist’s shirt to get his attention. I know, I haven’t been able to sleep for weeks about that one.

In the Comments section this little ditty was indeed just submitted. I thought it a good opportunity to counter the sophomoric arguments against persuasive measures to get mass murderers to talk about their next plan, especially because those arguments are seeping with moral relativism and sick self-obsession. Personally, I am sick and tired of this puerile tripe, Malignant Narcissism and nihilism masquerading as “progressive politics” and “concern for American values.” My comments are bracketed and bold. I have also redacted this Commenter’s name and email to save him/her any further embarrassment. You know who you are.

Tammy,

I can’t believe that you are being honest in this article. Do you really believe that we should advocate torture?

You make fun of the types of torture that the CIA would like to administer, comparing it to a night out at a night club. That is sad.

[Believe it, it’s the truth. You need to get out more].

Let’s say that the CIA only wanted to tap a terrorist’s forehead with a number 2 pencil. Would you make fun of that? Would it be funny if after tapping the terrorist’s forehead for 4 days that the terrorist became psychotic for lack of sleep? Would it be funny if after a week a hole was tapped in his head and became infected? Would it be funny as the terrorist lied there shaking from the fever and chills of the infection from the hole?

[Let’s see…tapping a guy with a pencil…an infected sore and a fever while trying to get a mass murdering terrorist to reveal the next plan. Let me think….wait…Yes, I’m all for that. But actually, I’m more all for water-boarding which doesn’t take four days; it takes two minutes to work].

How funny would it be if a CIA (under a different regime) decided that you were a terror because of your “revolution book.”

[Remarkable. You cannot, or refuse, to distinguish between actions we take to get information about the next mass-murder plan so we can save lives, and a tyrannical regime’s punishment of a writer because they don’t like what’s been written.

This is like saying a husband and father who, when a rapist/killer enters his home to rape and kill, beats him up to stop him, is equal to the neighbor who goes outside and for no reason pummels the paperboy. Young person, and you must be young considering your insipid position, these situation are not the same. One is justified, the other is not. They are not morally equal. They are not morally relative.

What a world we live in when this still has to be pointed out.]

I guess my point is this. In my America we don’t justify torture, we give everyone due process and avoid cruel and unusual punishment, because those are inalienable human rights, that come from both the Constitution and God.

[That’s for American citizens, not foreign mass murdering terrorists who are enemy combatants. As a matter of fact, if you were to suggest to the world that our Constitution and Bill of Rights be adopted by every country on Earth, you’d be laughed out of the room. To give the benefits of our law to foreign murderers who exist to kill us is an insult to every American who works hard to make this country great. Our rights are not to be spread around to anyone who will take them like yesterday’s expired blueberry muffin].

I want my America to be a shining example of what government by the people can be. That we can stand strong in the face of terror, because we know deep down that freedom, and fairness are rights given by God not man. And that in the end they will prevail over terror.

[Aww, that’s very nice and sweet, and such a lovely sentiment, but sentiment won’t uncover plots of mass murder or get savages to talk. Now go look again at the people jumping from the 80th floor of the WTC. Nice cuddly, happy feelings are wonderful. I want this government to be all it can be as well. But in order to have that you first have to believe that you are worthy of defending, and then implement that defense].

I just don’t like to see those principles cheapened.

[Here’s the cheapened principle: your desire to feel morally superior coming at the cost of hundreds or thousands of innocent lives. You and I are different–I am less interested in the way I am perceived than I am in making sure we do everything, everything possible to make sure we get all the information we need to save innocent people from dying. That includes the 2 minutes of water-boarding applied to Khalid Sheikh Muhammad which gave us the details of at least 12 planned attacks against the United States innocent civilians, including the plan to fly an airplane into the tallest building in Los Angeles.

The “cheapened principle” is not considering the thousands of people dead in order so you (or we?) can argue and be somehow seen as “fair”? Fair to whom? When does “fair” kick in for the murdered, when making a terrorist uncomfortable for two-minutes (water-board!) would save their lives, but you don’t want that because it would irritate your idea of you being decent. The indecency is allowing more people to die so you can think good thoughts about yourself. Now that’s sick, self-obsessed, and contrary to everything it means to be an American.

Now, just for good measure, here’s a picture from the Beslan School Massacre. Because for people like you this is all about theory as opposed to real people at risk, real people targeted and real people dying:

Now, I would use water-boarding, or even tapping a guy on the head with a pencil for days on end to stop this. You, you freak, wouldn’t. Now *that’s* sick. In fact, I would do even more. And considering you’re appalled by my support of shirt-tugging and sleep-deprivation, I won’t give you nightmares with a description of what I would support to get a terrorist animal to talk so we can save innocent lives. But if you or your family ever, God forbid, gets hurt or killed in a terrorist action, the first thing you’re going to wonder is, Did we do enough to stop this? Now that water-boarding is banned, the answer will be “no, we didn’t,” and it is then, when you are holding a dead loved-one in your arms, you will wish this was the United States of Tammy].